its getting 'gambhir'...

shared by straight point on Wednesday, November 05, 2008

i don't wanna defend gambhir here...he deserves every bit of punishment he has got...

but the point i want to initiate debate on is...that...of late it has become like a ritual to settle whatever grudge they have with 'the bully' bcci this way...

gambhir is just a what we say a 'mohra'...in this game...

and i am least surprised with the swiftness of appeal decision taken by ICC...though there are still more important and urgent issues lingering since ages...which needs no further elaboration...

the satisfaction of scoring some brownie points is greater than settling those issues...and i don't wanna deprive them the joy of this 'moral victory'...

never mind that...

the crying pussy watson after referee himself admitted was the one who provoked gets away with...if we can call it a fine...

never mind that...

johnson after abusing non other than VVS (the rare breed of gentleman left in this 'gentleman' game) without any provocation was not even reprimanded...gets away with it...

mind you i said abusing not sledging...there by sending message its ok to be abusive...

...and

punter after clearly showing dissent with umpire decision (and its not one off incident as far as punter record goes) gets into argument with batsman and holds the play 'against the spirit of game'...but we are yet to hear a word from what they call referees...

...and these are just the examples from this series only...

the call is yours...

PS
did i said...gambhir is the highest scorer of this series and is the consistent pain in the @ss of ozies...? oh...never mind that... ;-)

30 comments:

Sanjay Awasthi said...

ture PAN..have you ever heard anything against andre nel (SA) who always put aggresive comments on the batsmen after his every run producing ball?
It is not only Andre, there are so many players who comments badly, but we never heard that they are banned, ever. why should we always hang on fire?
IN the recent case of Laxman/Johnson in last match, if any one can comment on Laxman or Sachin, he can do anything against any player, what happened to Johnson..what action has been taken againt Johnson. Nothing!

We never saw that officials of our board are intrupting the matter..why should we be made..bali ka bakra..always

Are indian players made only to listen, they cannot express their response?

If GG has shown his elbow to watson, what was the reason behind him, have icc tried to learned. GG is not an illeterate men. how many times he used legs and elbows in his defence? Sure watson has compled him to use...
it is sure that watson has used something which was never accepted to GG..
The punishment should be shared between these two, at least.

but we (our board) are helpless because we are made for 'others'.

Straight Point said...

this is the point SA...

while gg got the punishment watson got of almost scot free even after referee admitted that he was the one who provoked...

icc should seriously look into to restoring faith in its functioning and consistency in its decisions...

its a bomb waiting to explode....if they continue to ignore these matters...

scorpicity said...

On the BB issue, my view is that the appeal first of all is silly... just a farce to buy time and play the next test match. I don't see it as good in any intention whatsoever.

And the rest of the comps, it is the same old story but I assume by now we all might have got used to it LOL.

He could have simply kept quiet and told the umpire and the rest can turn the tables for a harsher punishment for Holmes sidekick. Didn't happen.

Straight Point said...

it is the same old story but I assume by now we all might have got used to it LOL.

but that doesn't mean that we should take it lying down scorpy?

Straight Point said...

gambhir (or bcci) was only exercising the provisions provided by icc so why fault them for doing what is their right lawfully...?

another thing which is coming out of this is that why to have appeal system at all...? why not make referee's word final anyway?

Rahul said...

Just wondering.

In Aus, Harbhajan was suspended (who had the number on Ponting)
Now Gambhir, the leading run scorer.

Conspiracy theories, anyone? :)

Straight Point said...

warm welcome rahul! thanks for dropping by

he not only had the no. on ponting but scored important runs in that match too...

after ensuring gambhir attend match referee's class guess what was their next target...VVS...

is it just a coincidence that he too scored double century against them...

i don't think so ;-))

Som said...

I guess it's now a matter of procedure. Gambhir probably deserves to sit out. I'm not sure if the player concerned is entitled to another deposition. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but didn't like what seemed a hasty decision on the Commissioner's part. If he was in a hurry to come out with the verdict before the Nagpur Test, he still could have gone for a tele-conference before announcing the verdict. Worse, it gives BCCI bullies an opportunity to flex their muscle again.

Som said...

I guess it's now a matter of procedure. Gambhir probably deserves to sit out. I'm not sure if the player concerned is entitled to another deposition. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but didn't like what seemed a hasty decision on the Commissioner's part. If he was in a hurry to come out with the verdict before the Nagpur Test, he still could have gone for a tele-conference before announcing the verdict. Worse, it gives BCCI bullies an opportunity to flex their muscle again.

Soulberry said...

I do not grudge Gambhir his punishment, he must have his pie along with the crustings, however, it will be more satisfactory if there was a modicum of evenness in what the match refs do.

But don't you worry, when the tyranny grips the hexacode color charts, something like Barack Obama is bound to happen. Ditto for cricket....how much can the flog the game with a tired old whip? Not for long before things change.

Buzzz said...

Was GG given a fair chance to put his case ? He was not and the judge n all that was farce........

Damith S. said...

Conspiracy theories ? I love it!

soulberry is right. there are no guidelines for any of these match referees.

they just do as they pls. there has to be a clear outline of the punishments for the level of offense.

gotham city deserves his ban though. and watson should have copped more.

rs said...

"malice-free" talk by Johnson 0%
prolonged verbal abuse by Watson 10%
crazy send-off by Zaheer 80%
an elbow - one test ban....

Gambhir deserved this - he should have turn around and hit the next ball for a four :)

I think the justices and the ICC should stand in a hot pitch for a full day and have verbal abuses thrown at them continuously - I wonder then if they will understand that is also not acceptable.

Straight Point said...

its a very good point you made about video conferencing...but i think they already made the decision even before he sat on chair to deliver verdict...

Straight Point said...

nice to see you moving out SB... are you hinting at the pawar regime when he will take over?

Straight Point said...

this is the point...buzzz

whats the point of having appeal protocol when the one who is appealing is not even allowed to put his case?

but i guess this is now procedure...though would like see it getting applied evenly...

Straight Point said...

RS...

yes there is no consistency...and they do as they please...

but why this necessarily mean only one party suffers?

Straight Point said...

sorry i meant DS...in my above comment...

Straight Point said...

very well said...RS!!

they will find how it feels players making fun of their spouse anatomy...and in the name of 'hard but fair'... :)

scorpicity said...

"you don't take it lying down"

Exactly SP...

So, you either sledge back within the spectrum of the rules like what Gambhir did at most times.

Or, you don't sledge back but inform the umpires

or, you sledge back at times and when it gets out of hand, you inform the umpires that it is getting very annoying especially when the opposition started it

You certainly don't break the rule. The judges report has put this across quite well. You cannot take law into your own hands and elbows should I say.

scorpicity said...

On the other point SP you mentioned, while somebody pleaded guilty and did not disagree with anything that aroused out of that hearing with the referee, it is silly by principle to appeal. It is only principle and not law.

Now the player has a right to appeal and he appealed by law. No problem.

The judge did go through the appeal and gave out his judgment and a total explanation on how and why he arrived at it.

So why the fuss?

The problem here is many in the public certainly does not the rules of the ICC code of conduct, especially the ones connected to a hearing. The fan can afford to not know but the BCCI board official HAS TO KNOW... that idiot didn't have a clue and rattled out a silly email and added to the already bad PR.

The rule is clear that it is completely at the hands of the hearing judge to grant a personal hearing or not, based on the circumstances and conflicts that arise out of the match referee hearing.

In the case of the monkey incident, Harbhajan had a dispute during the arguments which the referee did not accept those statements. And therefore when he appealed, he is entitled to get a personal hearing (again by the discretion of the judge) as there were conflicts which the player was not happy about, which was not considered by the ref. In such a circumstance, the judge has to give a personal hearing in order that the hearing be deemed as "fair".

In this case, there were no disputes on the arguments by Gambhir. He did not have any reason that conflicts, which basically means his statements were fully considered and mutually accepted by both parties. He pleaded guilty and agreed to everything about his role. He did not disagree on anything.

So naturally the judge has done everything by the ICC rulebook to not give him a hearing as there is no dispute on the side of Gambhir which warranted one and hence was not considered.

To me this is fair.

Though I may say Watson for his share got away dead light. But that's a different comment in this post.

Straight Point said...

very true scorpy...this is what exactly i meant by not taking lying down...be proactive ...not reactive...

scorpicity said...

Sorry.."So naturally the judge has done everything by the ICC rulebook to not give him a PERSONAL hearing "

forgot that important word in caps, where the fuss is about.

Straight Point said...

good work mr india!! i will be happy that this 'discretion' is applied consistently and evenly...

thogh i would suggest you to read detailed post on this matter at i3j3 crcket...

http://i3j3cricket.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/gautam-gambhir-the-icc-bungles-yet-again/

scorpicity said...

SP.. frankly, it is not only the ICC which has bungled but WE in a very large way.

All the parties in the Indian camp, along with support from the media, fans could have scored big brownies against Watson if they viewed this case as one of "willful attempt of obstruction of the player attempting a run". After all, his hands were willfully out and close to his face.

They should have created a tom tom on this, as it can be easily proven and there are harsh laws on obstructing a player deliberately. The Indian camp could have rattled many by telling Watson deliberately tried to slow down, distract Gambhir while taking a quick run, which is totally against the law.

But nah... they were short-sighted to take the aussie sucker carrot and defended Gambhir pretty unreasonably, when they had a lovely opportunity to pin them on the mat.

scorpicity said...

You are right... discretion is a dangerous word but then did not the BCCI approve and sign to comply these same rules.

I do not mind the BCCI going in the direction of criticizing or amending the rules but that has to be done in a different forum at Dubai not specifically at times, when an Indian player is at trouble.

In my opinion, the ICC acted according to those rules even though we all know that they have fixed a clever one in terms of stopping the 'time' factor. The way forward is for the richest, most powerful board be proactive and block those loopholes in the right forum and place where this change has to happen.

If they discover a problem only when an Indian player is in trouble and start getting autocratic, totally ignoring the legal framework which they agreed on is not professional.

Let them address all this differently and professionally.

And BTW, we need a sledging coach :). Any names please LOL?

Rahul said...

....or a sledging player. He should be in wretched form. So aussies wouldn't be tempted to take him to ref, fearing he will be banned & someone else will come in.

In this team, Dravid could be the sledging player

P.S. If this seems like a cheap shot on Dravid, sorry. He will be one of the greatest in my book.

scorpicity said...

Sp.. I went through that nice article on i3j3 and posted a detailed comment including the actual ICC law that is creating this debate... cheers

Straight Point said...

rahul's is a good suggestion...

i think we should let loose bhajji and zak while telling them categorically about how far is too far...

Straight Point said...

sorry scorpy i had to go so could not carry on the debate...its nice that you read that post...he got some nice points there...

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